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Legality of Referring to Flickr Images
I wanted to ask if all the images located here [1] are infringing or circumventing Wikipedia's image copyright vetting system, by referencing them to Flickr. The images were originally uploaded directly to wikipedia, but the copyright status was questioned [2] and hence the uploader had changed the rationale to point to Flicker [3]. I am completely new to this and wanted to get some external input. Sinhala freedom (talk) 17:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Royalty Free Fitness Images Video
External link question
Is a link to a website like this which automatically redirects to any other webpage considered a link only to ultimod or is it considered a link to the redirected webpage?--24.62.236.10 13:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
i writed here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Translation_requests/WMF/Our_projects/source i have writed: hello. why not to make something like wikimapia.org but not with google because it is not gnu fdl or compatible but with nasa maps which are public domain, but they unfortunately dont have web api, i consider, do they? --Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.232.124.61 (talk) 12:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
CC-by
See Wikipedia:Village_pump (policy)#CC-by content permanent link for some discussion about using CC-by text in articles. Nil Einne (talk) 19:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Stupid question about trademarks
Sorry about asking this really stupid question, but I just didn't see it mentioned on the page anywhere. What part of the GFDL license allows us to talk about things like "Apple computers" or "Star Wars"? Aren't these things copyrighted? Don't we then have to provide a fair use rationale every time they are mentioned, like we do for copyrighted images? Esn (talk) 06:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
The Wild Boys (novel)
in the article The Wild Boys (novel) was a copy of a work from Alfred Kazin [4] i did a revert to the last version were it was not included. could someone please look if it is ok now? Elvis (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Photographs of posters?
I ran across this today, and would like to know how this falls with regards to the copyright policy: Someone takes a photograph of a poster, and uploads it as their own work, copyright themselves. Image:Cunard-MenThatCount.jpg. I was under the impression that photographs of two-dimensional images did not create a new copyright, (i.e., to take a photograph of a book cover, or CD cover, does not make that copyright-free, correct?) but since the poster is from the 1930s, I thought I would check if there are other circumstances that make this a new copyrighted image. Thanks in advance, Ariel?Gold 16:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
questionable image use
Interesting discussion underway, that could use more input. Nutshell: blogger posted a photo of himself with a celebrity on Flickr, under CC/SA. Wikipedia editor contacted him in a friendly gesture, to let him know we were going to use it on Wikipedia. Photo owner has expressed strong preference that the photo not be cropped (even though the license allows cropping.) Photo is valuable to the article if cropped, but pretty useless if not. So, do we go by the letter of the license, or the spirit of the owner's desires? If we decide not to crop, should we even consider it "free," or should it be removed from Wikimedia servers altogether? Please comment over there. -Pete (talk) 01:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Images from YouTube
My understanding is that linking to YouTube videos that are illegally being hosted (due to the copyright owner not giving permission for them to be uploaded). My concern is over Image:Beefcake shaves Adonis.jpg and Image:Hogan slams Andre.jpg. They are currently being used in WrestleMania III. WWE has never given YouTube permission to host their videos and has actually gotten them taken down in the past. To me, these images either should be removed or at least replaced by screencaps from the DVD release of the event (since the event has been released twice on DVD).
I have been discussing this with the uploader of the pics, and he is asking if he can list the DVD as the source for these images. I don't feel that would be acceptable though since the images came from YouTube. He also says they are acceptable under WP:FU, but doesn't that only cover the use of the images and not the source of them? What should I do about the pics? Maybe nominate them for deletion? TJ Spyke 06:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
With Permission
I was given permission by the webmaster of a site to post copyrighted information, but it was deleted. Is there any way to bypass this? --Preceding unsigned comment added by Feilen (talk o contribs) 00:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
École secondaire catholique Garneau
I was wondering about Image:Garneau Logo.jpg which I uploaded. My questions are elaborated within the fair use rational. Could this image perhaps be free? I think I kind of answered my question but another opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. --CyclePat (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Ford car company claim copyrights over photos people took of their own cars.
This has been all over the car-nut blogosphere today: The Ford motor company have sent cease & desist letters to several car clubs who sell calendars containing photographs of their members cars claiming that Ford own the copyright on all images of their vehicles.
Here is a link to one car club who took the time to get the details of Ford's policy: http://www.ricehatersclub.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25901 - it kinda looks like Ford is only going after people who are making a profit from selling photos...but what they actually say doesn't limit it to that. It's really getting silly when you can't take a photo of your own car!
Is there validity to their claim? Ought we to be pulling all photos of Ford cars out of Commons and relabelling the rest under fair-use (where applicable)?
SteveBaker (talk) 23:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
UPDATE: For those interested, we came to an understanding with Ford directly, and resolved the issue. You can read the details here: http://www.ricehatersclub.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26413
I am the Webmaster there.
PKRWUD (talk) 17:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Flight nurse
It's a direct copy of flight nurse but it's a US Government site. If it is a violation then a redirect to nurse would probably be the best. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 17:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Europe and Israel
The article on Europe and Israel copies sections of a paper that is marked as 'please do not quote without author's permission' (reference link). I know the author and I know that she did not give permission to quote from it, let alone to copy whole passages of it into a wiki. Anyone taking care of that? Ruth ds (talk) 16:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Clarifying linking to copyright variations
We've run into a gray area over on the Anime and Manga Project - there are a couple of sites sometimes used as sources which contain information about fansubs. One site (animenfo) merely contains the name of the group fansubbing a series, and a record of what progress they've made, but no other links. The other site (animeDB) seems to contain links to those fansubbers websites. I tend to feel like we should not be linking to either of these, but the current policy seems to suggest it is only a problem if we are linking to the fansub directly. Doceirias (talk) 04:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
For clarification, the relevant policy WP:COPYRIGHT#Linking to copyrighted works says "if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." as well as "Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors." The sites in question do not carry any work in violation of the creator's copyright, nor they distribute said material. It seems clear these sites are not violating the policy as it is, but there are different opinions, so what should we do? Kazu-kun (talk) 04:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
How close a paraphrase is too close a paraphrase?
I have recently encountered an articles whose content credits as a source something which it also seems to resemble very, very closely in terms of content. In fact, in a few instances, there are only differences of some punctuation and a few words between individual sentences of both articles. This leads to my asking the question which is the headline of this section. John Carter (talk) 18:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know how this has resolved yet and I have not compared the works, however, I agree with John generally regarding the principles involved. If you think it's a copyvio but you're not sure enough that it's a blatant violation to speedy delete it, you should blank the page and replace it with
{{copyvio|url}}. The page will then get listed at WP:CV where it can be further investigated/discussed. The above is an example of the problems of using only one source (again, just based on what I've read in this thread).--Doug.(talk o contribs) 06:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)- Proviso, however, you have a dialog with the editor who has posted it going, it should be taking place on the article's talk page but I would hold off on blanking as long as there is a dialog unless the violation is pretty clear. You could ask for a third opinion - but maybe that's what this is :-). I'll take a look shortly and see if this resolved.--Doug.(talk o contribs) 20:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Copying partial information for each item of a list presumably compiled employing creativity
I'd like your opinions on more or less complete listings in Democracy Index. My question concerns the inclusion of a list of all the countries from the original, in the ranking and with the total rating and classification given there, but copying neither layout nor the finer ratings given. So, I've two questions:
- Is it OK from copyright point of view to retain the list as it is?
- If not, what is the minimum we should remove?
Summary of facts:
- Source: The Democracy Index was compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit on behalf of the journal The Economist, and is available on line in a pdf report. In it, 167 countries are evaluated with respect to their degree of democracy, and listed by decreasing overall value. In fact, each country was given five values in different categories, and the average of these was listed as the "overall score" or democracy index. Both the category and the overall scores are given on a scale from 0 to 10, with higher marks interpreted as "more democratic". E.g., the United States are given the scores 8.75, 7.86, 7.22, 8.75, and 8.53, in the categories "Electoral process and pluralism", "Functioning of government", "Political participation", "Political culture", and "Civil liberties", respectively; yielding the "overall score" 8.22, the ranking as number 17 from top, and placement in the category "Full democracies" - barely, since the criterion for this is to have an overall index of at least 8.0, when rounded to one digit. The five category scores for a country are based on the answers of in total 60 questions; these are summed up in the different categories, but also somewhat modified.
A large part of the 11 page report is taken up with discussion of the methodology; why some kinds of questions were included, but not others; and why the questions had few alternatives, as contrasted with the methodology of the similar index of Freedom House. My impression is that this hardly could be considered as "just a compilation of facts". - Copyright: The pdf report seems not to have an explicit copyright notice. However, The Economist provides general copyright notes and terms of usage, which I suppose are applicable, and seem not to be GFDL-compatible. (Some free individual usage for non-profit purposes is granted.)
- The wikipedia article: Only part of the information is copied. The order of countries is retained, and so are the order numbers, the overall scores (or "index"), and the "categories"; but the layout is rather different (e.g., including a flag, and with the items grouped differently). E.g., the "US" item of the report is represented thus:
I don't know much about copyright laws. I guess that the report isn't free to reproduce as such; but even if this is the case, I have no real idea whether or not the indices and the actual order of countries in itself are copyright protected. However, the possibility worries me a bit.-JoergenB (talk) 04:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
An image with an improper license given its source
Please see Image talk:Five-legged-horse.jpg. ??? ????? Od Mishehu 09:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
How to deal with editors who copy from their own books?
Obviously, the writer posting alone would fail WP:OR, but assuming one could get the authors consent, would it all right for someone else to post chunks of the same material? How should one deal with Special:Contributions/Dilmener, who appears to be the actual writer? I know it might be an impostor, but assuming one could verify independently the identity... --Adoniscik (talk) 23:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
External Site Not Following GDFL?
This is a straight copy job from Saint Patrick's Day but I can't find a GDFL notice anywhere on the external page. Not sure what is the proper procedure (if there is one). --NeilN talk ? contribs 22:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Copyright of transcribed public domain works
I came across an editor who has been removing text from a number of articles, claiming copyright violation. But this case is a little tangled and I'd like to get other opinions before I dive in too far. The text itself is taken from a book published in 1868, which is clearly in the public domain. The book is relatively rare. A person called Colin Hinson has transcribed the book and published it on his website. He is claiming copyright over the transcribed work, see [5]. Excerpts from the book have been added to a number of Wikipedia articles, and an IP editor (who is very likely Mr. Hinson, as he claims) has been removing them claiming copyright - for example [6]. My limited understanding of copyright law is that a transcribed copy of a public domain work does not create a new copyright, since it does not count as a derived work. Therefore editors should be able to copy the transcribed text of the original into Wikipedia articles.
Could anyone clarify this situation? I have invited Mr. Hinson to take part in this discussion. Thanks, Gwernol 14:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from Colin Hinson. To verify that I am who I say I am, you might like to check the domain allocated to my IP address and email that domain in the format xxxx999*blunham.demon.co.uk where xxxx is anything you care to put. I have no objection whatsoever to anyone transcribing the works that I have already done. They will of course in general have to pay to obtain the relevant books and then spend the time transcribing them. It would be much easier to simply link to the original (as has been done on many Wikipedia pages) and thus avoid all the hassle (just search for my name on Wikipedia pages). There is no reason whatsoever that I can think of to have two copies of the same thing available on the web. Under UK law, my transcriptions are well protected. If you really want them on Wikipedia, then you are going to have to prevent them being visible in the UK and I don't really see how you are going to do this selectively. May I suggest that a summary of the information is presented on Wikipedia and then a link made to the information available on the Genuki site (www.genuki.org.uk) in the references for the relevant pages, but please do not copy. Your reference to 10% is 10% of any given extraction from my database. As the information copied to Wikipedia represent 100% of the extraction on any given page, this is well over the 10% which may be allowed under fair use, however fair use only applies to reviews and educational research, and Wikipedia is neither of these.
I get extremely annoyed by people copying information for which I have paid in both time and money: regardless of the laws in the US - the information is being copied from a UK site. You are very welcome to contact me direct - an email to xxxx999*blunham.com will find me (where xxxx is anything you care to invent). Best regards, Colin Hinson. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.133.253 (talk) 00:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
So, as I understand it then, I can pay for the relevant books, do the transcription, hold the information in my databases, write the software to do the extraction and publish the result on the Genuki web-site, and you and others can just come along and steal this work without even bothering to ask permission? And then when I come along and remove the items I'm accused of vandalism. You have some very strange laws which you are operating under! Regardless of the laws, would it not be much more ethical simply to add a link to the original information thereby removing all the arguments? Regards, Colin Hinson.
Electro-magnetic therapeutic system
{{helpme}} I'm working on EMF producing device patent by Dr. Drolet. Which can be found in the present article Electro-magnetic therapeutic system. Anyways... I found the birthdate of Mr. Drolet on this Parish's website. here. However, they claim copyright of the text. Can we use even a part of it? --CyclePat (talk) 04:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Copyright status of public-interest newspaper articles etc. hosted without license - to link or not to link?
Please see the discussion here and help establish consensus. Jayen466 13:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
What distinguishes an internet archive?
Does anybody know the history behind the "internet archive" exception when linking to copyrighted works? As part of the question about rickross.com, I'm trying to figure out if a topic-specific, manually curated archive would qualify just as well if they heed similar limitations, like the request of rightsholders, and have a similar non-profit purpose. In my view the answer's yes, but some people differ. Thanks, William Pietri (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Reverse copyvio
In other words, when other websites copy Wikipedia content without the appropriate application of GFDL to the derivative work or acknowledgment of the source. I thought there was somewhere to report this kind of thing, but can't find it now. Anyone? 4u1e (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Protection
I've re-added full protection. This is one of the most important pages on the project. If changes are necessary, they can of course be addressed on talk. Since semi-protection in April 2007, there has been a few instances of vandalism, including [7], [8]. Superm401 - Talk 04:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Query about Indonesian government publications
(Copied from Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems where I got no response.)
According to this Indonesian law (Article 14, (b)), any Indonesian government publication is not copyrighted unless otherwise specifically noted on the publication itself. My questions:
- Is "no infringement of copyright" equivalent to "public domain" in this case?
- Are Indonesian government publications allowed in WP, similar to other countries that release their government publications to the public domain (e.g. U.S.)?
- Is this information about WP policy regarding Indonesian government publications posted somewhere?
- Is there a better place to ask such questions?
Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 00:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Link to te.wikipedia
Please add the following link to the list of interwiki links in the page te:??????????:???????????. Thanks in advance. __Mpradeep (talk) 13:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Linking to Copyright Violations
I'm trying to understand the intent behind these lines here :
However, if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States (Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry [1]).
What if a site contains relevant and unique information, but also contains suspected or known copyright violations. In the section of policy I just quoted, the only thing strictly prohibited is linking directly to the work, but the next sentence says that linking to the site would leave WP liable, which presumably means we shouldn't do that either. But it doesn't strictly say that, it leaves that ambiguous.
I'm asking in regards to this where someone has apparently refrained from even mentioning a relevant hardware product because the manufacturer also distributes pirated games.
Thanks. APL (talk) 00:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Images from a website uploaded by an user as GPL images
I want to bring something that pop-up on my watch list. User:Khmer M16 have been uploading pictures from a Chinese website. From the organization of the website, I suspect that the website is a personal/hobbyist website (therefore does not have relicensing rights). The images are all uploaded as GFDL. I have no knowledge on how to verify or disprove that. I was wondering if someone can tell me how to handle those images. Or redirect me to a place on Wikipedia that handles this kind of stuff. --Voidvector (talk) 05:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Super transformation
I'd like for someone to take a look at this edit. Are there not too many copyrighted images on the page? Lord Sesshomaru (talk o edits) 20:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Foreign Governments
Not sure if this is the correct place to ask. I have been writing articles on Mexican drug traffickers. I typically find that Mexican government websites have pictures for these people, however US government sites do not. What I want to know is if the same rules for the US Government apply to the Mexican government, or how I can find out. --I Write Stuff (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Fitness images with a specific attribution requirement
I have a question related to several images recently added to the Personal trainer article. These are pretty high quality images that from an Australian fitness company. An example is: Image:Personal trainer assisting and correcting a client during a fitball stretching exercise.jpg. Originally these were uploaded for any use, with the restriction that a link back to the copyright holder's website was added as attribution. However the restriction was that the link must not use the rel=nofollow tag. Of course this meant that we could not use the images on Wikipedia since all our links have re=nofollow on them. The uploader has since updated the restriction to say"(wikipedia excepted)", after I contacted him. Are these images now okay to use in articles? While the exception means that Wikipedia can use them, are we okay with putting this restriction on mirror sites and other downstream users of the image? Thanks, Gwernol 13:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Use of US and UK needs standardising
In the article, there are instances of "U.S." and "UK". It should be "US" and "UK", to keep it standard. As the article is protected, I cannot change it - so can someone else please do so? Thanks! Avengah (talk) 08:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Google earth
What is the copyright status of images from Google Earth and Google Maps?Bless sins (talk) 00:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
GFDL-1.2
The template {{GFDL-1.2}} has been nominated for deletion - see Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 May 20#GFDL-1.2 nomination. As this is a controversial issue, I'm bring it to users attention here in order that a wider consensus can be reached. -- Tivedshambo (t/c) 14:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Image:MATADOR cutaway diagram.JPG
As per the discussion on the page of Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images/2008 May 19#Image:MATADOR_cutaway_diagram.JPG, this was a newspaper clipping scanned, cropped and translated by me for use on the page of MATADOR (weapon). As there are no equivalent sample that might illustrate the subject in question here on wikipedia as I understand it, what I have done is effectively created a derivative work, based on the original newspaper clippings, solely for use here and here only. My question now is, can any kind folks help advice me on the proper course to take in licensing or providing a sound workable fairuse rationale for using this image? Thank you all in advance. --Dave1185 (talk) 23:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Outdated reference
Please remove stupid reference to the "Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry" court case.This case was vacated eight years ago, besides the fact it is mostly irrelevant. Wikipedia is encyclopedia. Inserting a blatant lie in the policy document is not a good policy, IMHO.Lqp (talk) 03:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Proposed addition to "Linking to copyrighted works"
I would like to add the following language to the bottom of the section "Linking to copyrighted works":
In articles about a website, it is to include acceptable to link to that website even if there are possible copyright violations somewhere on the site.
This seems okay as long as it's not done to circumvent the rule about linking directly to copyrighted work. Lately I've seen people argue we can't link to a site if it contains any copyvios anywhere. But ultimately most user-driven sites, be it YouTube or MySpace, do contain what Wikipedia would call copyvios... excluding a link is just impractical and a disservice to readers. I don't believe the policy currently discourages such links, but some people think it does, so a clarification is in order. --Rividian (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC) {{editprotected}} It's been proposed for a week and no replies... the above comment should clearly explain the apparently uncontroversial change I'd like to be made to this full-protected page. --Rividian (talk) 18:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Medieval images
The copyright on medieval images is thought to no longer exist. By "medieval" I mean more than 300 years ago. Am I correct in assuming this?
However, most of us don't have access to these images. So if these images are scanned from a book, and the book is copyrighted, would the images be still copyrighted?Bless sins (talk) 17:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Shortcuts
{{editprotected}} I'd like to propose a pretty simple change. Wikipedia:Civility should be mentioned in the first dablink template, which relates to the WP:C shortcut.
This:
- {{dablink|[[WP:C]] redirects here. You may be looking for [[Wikipedia:Consensus]] (shortcut: [[WP:CON]]) or [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council]] (shortcut: [[WP:COUNCIL]]).}}
Should be changed to this:
- {{dablink|[[WP:C]] redirects here. You may be looking for [[Wikipedia:Consensus]] (shortcut: [[WP:CON]]), [[Wikipedia:Civility]] (shortcut: [[WP:CIV]]) or [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council]] (shortcut: [[WP:COUNCIL]]).}}
That's all. :) Thanks for responding to the request. --Jamie?S93 00:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Copyright Status of Translations
Critical philosophy. Whilst this is not a new page (it was created back in 2001 (!)), at some point a large amount of material has been inserted verbatim from the English translation of Hegel's Encyclopedia of the Philosophical Sciences. A copyvio template was put up, but the admin who looked at it as a result removed the template on the grounds that, as the Encyclopedia was published in 1830, it is by now in the public domain. Whilst this is true, that publication would have been in German; and the English translation (done by "William Wallace") would have been published much more recently (a quick Google suggests 1970?). Could someone more knowledgeable than me about Copyright law clarify the copyright status of translations -- i.e. "Is a translation of a public domain work still public domain"? I've replaced the copyright tag in case the answer is yes. -- simxp (talk) 00:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Is this License still valid?
I thought copyrighted images could not be used, except under Fair Use. Is the license used on this image valid? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Logos
What about permission to use Wikimedia's official logos? This page doesn't address that. They're not under any free license and the first sentence says, "The Wikimedia Foundation does not own copyright on Wikipedia article texts and illustrations" but this isn't completely true as they do own some illustrations such as the ones used to illustrate Wikipedia. Of course, most people would understand that anyway (at least the trademark part which gives the same result), but it goes on to say "It is therefore useless to email our contact addresses asking for permission to reproduce content." What about content they do own? I'm sure they would want someone who's planing to use the Wikipedia or Wikimedia logo to ask for permission first, right?
This is mostly for reusers, but there should also be something about where on this Wikipedia they can be used (and about derivatives). Also, I know where to report GFDL violations (i.e. license violations), but what about copyright violations? For example, the use of the logo on http://e-wikipedia.net/w/en/. No one does anything about GFDL vios, but maybe something should be done as far as the logo goes. (I thought I was at real en.wp) Rocket000 (talk) 00:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Brazil official websites, copyright status?
I wanted to see if anybody knew the copyright status of documents produced by official departments in Brazil.
The article Porto Alegre was listed at WP:Copyright problems, and on investigation I discovered that it did draw extensively from this source. An explicit statement on re-use there left no question that the duplication was inappropriate. I removed the text, which had been tagged nearly a month without being addressed, left a note at the article's talk page and left a note at the Brazil project requesting assistance. Earlier today, an editor restored some of that (again removed, with a note to him), copied some from another Wikipedia article and incorporated a huge chunk of this. That last would be unproblematic by copyright in the US, but I don't know about Brazil. Given the precedent of the US, I thought to leave it alone while I asked further feedback. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Plagiarism guideline
I've proposed we create a separate plagiarism guideline (or rather, how to detect, deal with and avoid it). Please contribute at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Wikipedia:Plagiarism. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 20:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Linking to copyright works under DMCA?
The thing is, the wikipedia, being a user-contributed site, has broad exceptions to avoiding violation of copyright under the DMCA. It seems to me that the wikipedia would not be liable for linking, provided they removed the link if a DMCA takedown notice was followed promptly. Comments?- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 03:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Is PubMed copyrighted?
In working on WP:DEP, I came across Thyrotoxic crisis, which is a copypaste from this PubMed article. I know US Federal Government stuff isn't copyrighted. Are articles on PubMed considered a non-copyrighted government publication, or is it simply a reprint of a copyrighted (by the authors) work? Thanks!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Lists?
The article Ring Magazine's list of 100 greatest punchers of all time has been listed at WP:CP (on June 19). I'm whittling down the backlog there, but I'm not sure about the rules governing that one. I know that lists from public documents or common sources are not copyrighted in the US. This is not a public document or common source, though, but a magazine article. Names are not copyrightable--are lists of names? We didn't cover this in grad school. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Website hosting free full text of APA DSM-IV
WP:COPYRIGHT and WP:EL say we shouldn't knowingly link to copyright violations. Over the years (in places I can no longer find), there have been many discussions throughout Wikipedia about how seriously the American Psychiatric Association (APA) guards copyright on its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), and cautioning Wiki editors against using full-text from the DSM. I've seen many discussions about how seriously the APA enforces its copyright. The following post is copied from Talk:Schizophrenia:
Free full text DSM-IV on Schizophrenia and Other Psychotic Disorders
Discussion of copyright issues
The release of the full-text from the APA hasn't been clarified. Is it our responsibility to track this down? Can we link to this site, and to what extent can we quote and cite it? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
<-My pleasure to pitch in where I can. :) As I said, I've been writing a lot of letters lately. This one is only a tad bit different. (And as an update, it went out about six hours ago; so far, no response.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
This probably doesn't apply to DSM-IV alone. I've been working on sepsis today, basically the definition of sepsis and criteria could be seen as copyrighted by the American College of Chest Physicians. Many clinical guidelines are protected by copyright which in some cases hinders writing an article about them. Basically, all medical knowledge is in the copyright hands of medical journals. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Moon - could you direct your inquiry to Chad Thompson at CThompson AT psych DOT org? Some people - rightly so - want confirmation that Mindsite has a legitimate license to the DSM-IV before working with the material on our website. Chad will be able to give you a speedy and authoritative reply. Mindsite (talk) 00:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
UPDATE from Mindsite and the APA
I just got off the phone with the APA this morning, discussing Wikipedia and copyright issues. There have been a number of issues raised to date by various Wikipedians, but these can be boiled down to two primary issues.
1. Does Mindsite have a legitimate license to reproduce portions of the DSM-IV online?
2. What is the status of Fair Use and Copyright as it relates to DSM-IV material, the APA and Wikipedia?
In reference to the first question, the APA has indicated that they will not be doing a press release with Mindsite after all. There are a number of reasons for this, but it is well known that they sell competing products, such as 24 hour access to the full text DSM-IV for $35. It is understandable that some Wikipedians question whether the APA would actually allow Mindsite to give this material away for free, but that is in fact the reality of our licensing agreement.
I do not believe that it is Wikipedia's job to police the Internet for copyright violators, but I do support voluntary excluding links from known copyright violators. Further, the APA has indicated to me that they do not want to have to address every inquiry from the Wikipedia community regarding links to other sections of the DSM-IV, if those are licensed in the future. The APA's position is that Mindsite does not have to receive a public indication from them that we are a legitimate licensee, to reproduce their content. Further, the politics associated with the Mindsite project preclude closer association between the APA and us - they are fine with us giving them money to reproduce the DSM-IV, but they don't want to associate with a small startup's strategy now or one that could change in the future.
Therefore, in reference to the first question, I argue that the status-quo for Mindsite and the rest of the Internet would be to assume that we are a legitimate site until we hear otherwise. Anything else is holding us to a higher standard than any other web based content publisher.
In reference to the second issue, this is far more complex, which is undoubtedly why SandyGeorgia flagged this after our first post to the schizophrenia talk page a few weeks ago. Digging around I've found a relevant thread on the subject which was summarized by the APA today on the phone, stating 'we don't think that reproducing the DSM-IV criteria is an example of fair use.'
I'm not aware of any legal precedent where something like diagnostic criteria has been legally prosecuted as a violation of Fair Use or Copyright law. However, this issue will undoubtedly continue to come up for Wikipedia, particularly now that Mindsite has freely licensed a good chunk of the DSM-IV onto the Internet. I'm not sure that the APA would win a lawsuit against Wikipedia if those criteria were included in Wikipedia, however clearly Wikipedia does not want to test that hypothesis. Regardless, we will not advocate for the inclusion of criteria while we are a licensee of the DSM-IV.
As a way to move forward, I have updated our proposal to indicate that we no longer support the inclusion of diagnostic criteria on the pages we flagged, although we do think those pages *may* benefit from updated references or links to DSM-IV sections. We are soliciting feedback on those targets. Please see our proposal here. Mindsite (talk) 18:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Bottom line for Wikipedia
OK, I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but here's how I understand things:
- It's OK if Wikipedia articles link into Mindsite when citing the DSM, like this:
- It's OK for Wikipedia to quote brief phrases from the DSM, e.g., "encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus" (a quote from DSM-IV-TR 299.00), so long as these quotations have quote marks and are appropriately cited.
- It's OK for Wikipedia to paraphrase the ideas behind the DSM, without using quote marks, e.g., "persistent preoccupation with parts of objects" (a quote from Autism #Diagnosis) so long as the paraphrase is appropriately cited.
- The APA's view is that quoting entire criteria sets, e.g., the entire subsection "Diagnostic criteria for 299.00 Autistic Disorder, would be a violation of copyright even if properly sourced and put into quote marks. This issue has not been resolved in court. For Autism at least, I don't think it would be appropriate for Wikipedia to quote the entire criteria set for autistic disorder, as Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a diagnostic manual. I expect things are similar for other Wikipedia articles, so I don't expect this issue to arise in practice.
Eubulides (talk) 19:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Outdent - Sandy, let me try and clarify or at least provide some framework to move forward.
- The first issue behind moving our Depression/Schizophrenia discussion to copyright was related to the legitimacy of Mindsite's license and current reproduction of the DSM-IV. In other words, do we have the legal right to reproduce this content on our domain or have we stolen the material, violating copyright on the book. Various Wikipedians have asked that Mindsite point to a publicly written statement from the APA or to have the APA confirm our license in response to an email inquiry - at this time, we cannot compel the APA to do either. For various reasons, the APA will not issue a press release with us and they feel that it may be an undue burden for them to have answer an unknown number of emails from Wikipedia about 'whether this site is legitimate or not' as it relates to Mindsite or any other potential licensee.
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- CONCLUSION (as I see it): You correctly note that 'if the APA had a problem with us, they would have said so by now.' If there is still doubt that we are a legitimate licensee, I would be more than happy to share our contract with someone, who could then post here to indicate that we are a legitimate licensee. I hope that step is not necessary, as it would hold Mindsite to a higher standard than other commercial website on the Internet, but I am perfectly happy to do so given the prior history of the APA.
- The second issue is related to how mental health information on Wikipedia can be improved, given Mindsite's recent publication of the DSM-IV. The primary issue here is 'does fair use permit the reproduction of diagnostic criteria from the DSM-IV in Wikipedia.' Previously, the APA responded to Wikipedia in 2005 about fair use of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria stating "We are inclined to deny Wikipedia permission to use our content as we do not allow anyone to alter our material and we do not want our material posted online." The APA recently confirmed this position to me on the phone earlier this week, as I had noted earlier.
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- CONCLUSION (as I see it): Mindsite's license of the DSM-IV does not have any impact on either the APA's interpretation of fair use nor should it change Wiki policy, whatever that is. It may strain credulity for some of the copyright people here that the definition of a disease can be copyrighted - I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I tend to agree - however that is between the APA and the rest of the Internet. As such, Mindsite is not advocating for the inclusion of diagnostic criteria in any Wikipedia articles and we have updated our proposal to indicate as much.
In summary, I'm hoping that we can end this thread, at least as it relates to updating reference citations on relevant Wiki articles, since people are better off reading the DSM-IV material directly online as opposed to a book reference. Does this seem satisfactory? Mindsite (talk) 19:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Proposal to change {{copyviocore}} for GFDL reasons
A change to this template concerning the creation of a temporary reversion has been proposed at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems#Another concern about copyviocore. It addresses specifically the concern that versions written from scratch may incorporate non-infringing text from the original in such a way as to violate GFDL. Please contribute there. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Copyright of Indian Law
Is verbatim copying of an Indian Law or Act a copyright violation? I believe not, but I still need confirmation.
As per the Indian Copyright Act, 1957, this is what it has to say:
So if I copy text of an Act, say the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885, I think it should not be a copyright violation. Please could someone confirm? Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»=
Need another admin to resolve a WP:CP
Hi. I need an admin familiar with abridgments as derivative works (Wikipedia:Copyright_FAQ#Derivative_works) to process a ticket at WP:CP, listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2008 July 13/Articles. I tagged the article, Technics and Time, 1, though I did so in response to concerns raised at WT:CP. Conversation about the matter is at Wikipedia_talk:CP#Can_a_summary_constitute_copyright_violation.3F. Be advised: it's long. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Linking to Sites with Copyright Abuse
The reference to Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry should be removed, because a permanent injunction reached in the case, which dissolved and vacated the linked decision, holds that the references in this section are mute and obsolete. Furthermore, the Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry article on Wikipedia should be updated. --Slipgrid (talk) 22:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
subjunctive appropriate
The page currently contains this sentence: "Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors." I would recommend to change "sheds" to [instead] "would shed". One hopes that the subjunctive will [usually] be appropriate there. (right?) Mike Schwartz (talk) 02:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Interwiki
Can someone add this interwiki? ro:Wikipedia:Drepturi de autor thanks Ark25 (talk) 07:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
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